Comments on: Social Web Master Thesis in wiki (or download) http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/ The theory of social networks and the evolution of the web. Studying the social web, network theory, blogging and privacy issues of the internet. Sat, 22 Nov 2008 10:27:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Bending the Web: Become Popular in 2 Months | Super Blogging http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-837 Bending the Web: Become Popular in 2 Months | Super Blogging Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:26:51 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-837 [...] 1st and for two months (until December 11th) I started writing a theoretical approach on the attention economy of social networks. The research did not concentrate on a specific social network, it just investigated the [...] [...] 1st and for two months (until December 11th) I started writing a theoretical approach on the attention economy of social networks. The research did not concentrate on a specific social network, it just investigated the [...]

]]> By: Psychology » Blog Archive » Social Web Master Thesis in wiki (or download) http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-214 Psychology » Blog Archive » Social Web Master Thesis in wiki (or download) Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:33:18 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-214 [...] robojiannis wrote an interesting post today on Social Web Master Thesis in wiki (or download)Here’s a quick excerptThe issue, that occured to me while writing was, that many disciplines are involved in understanding and decoding the blogosphere and social networks in general: Sociology, social psychology, mass psychology, network theory, emergence, … [...] [...] robojiannis wrote an interesting post today on Social Web Master Thesis in wiki (or download)Here’s a quick excerptThe issue, that occured to me while writing was, that many disciplines are involved in understanding and decoding the blogosphere and social networks in general: Sociology, social psychology, mass psychology, network theory, emergence, … [...]

]]> By: robojiannis http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-162 robojiannis Fri, 18 Jan 2008 09:46:26 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-162 @PMB You are right, I can't seem to imagine a better way to identify quality. But imagine this scenario. A new site has a very high degree of fitness (its quality is much better than its competitors). But it doesn't get any links from the authorities, because they've never heard of it. But its connectivity increases steadily and significantly, through word of mouth. More and more users go to this new site, instead of the old. When its popularity "tip", meaning its connectivity will reach a form of epidemic (as written by Malcolm Gladwell, in the Tipping Point) the hubs have 2 options: 1. They stay out of the game, they don't follow the trend and eventually stay behind. 2. They talk about this new site, link to it and see a big new competitor emerging. This is what happened with twitter (although it didn't have any competitors in microblogging). What do you think will happen when twine comes out? A semantic social bookmarking site? If it works good, forget del.icio.us. You've given me many stuff to think about, thanks! @PMB
You are right, I can’t seem to imagine a better way to identify quality. But imagine this scenario. A new site has a very high degree of fitness (its quality is much better than its competitors). But it doesn’t get any links from the authorities, because they’ve never heard of it. But its connectivity increases steadily and significantly, through word of mouth. More and more users go to this new site, instead of the old.
When its popularity “tip”, meaning its connectivity will reach a form of epidemic (as written by Malcolm Gladwell, in the Tipping Point) the hubs have 2 options:
1. They stay out of the game, they don’t follow the trend and eventually stay behind.
2. They talk about this new site, link to it and see a big new competitor emerging.

This is what happened with twitter (although it didn’t have any competitors in microblogging). What do you think will happen when twine comes out?
A semantic social bookmarking site? If it works good, forget del.icio.us.

You’ve given me many stuff to think about, thanks!

]]> By: Paul M. Banas http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-158 Paul M. Banas Fri, 18 Jan 2008 03:01:59 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-158 I need to come back to your point "Eventually, its popularity will increase". That implies seniority drives authority. Google's algorithm is based upon authority sites (been around forever, have links to spare) blessing other sites with links. The key point is that quality is truly not directly measured. What if PageRank worked at its introduction in the late 90's simply because there wasn't any significant web history prior to its development. An accumulation of links at that time really meant authority from a more limited web audience. But with web penetration growing significantly, would it be like saying a Jurassic fossil is an authority on life, simply because it is very, very old? I guess I'm wondering if there isn't a better way to identify quality, that's all. PMB P.S. I have Barbasi coming to me through inter-library loan. Thanks for the suggestion. I need to come back to your point “Eventually, its popularity will increase”. That implies seniority drives authority. Google’s algorithm is based upon authority sites (been around forever, have links to spare) blessing other sites with links. The key point is that quality is truly not directly measured.

What if PageRank worked at its introduction in the late 90’s simply because there wasn’t any significant web history prior to its development. An accumulation of links at that time really meant authority from a more limited web audience.

But with web penetration growing significantly, would it be like saying a Jurassic fossil is an authority on life, simply because it is very, very old?

I guess I’m wondering if there isn’t a better way to identify quality, that’s all.

PMB

P.S. I have Barbasi coming to me through inter-library loan. Thanks for the suggestion.

]]> By: robojiannis http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-152 robojiannis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:41:26 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-152 @sofiasot yes, they are missing. It's too early to draw in conclusions. While blogging, I've learned lots of stuff - which my theoretical approach couldn't provide. Mainly, I learned how to stop worrying and love the blog ;) I'll get on also to these conclusions, but I think with a blog post. Glad to see someone reads the thing. @sofiasot
yes, they are missing. It’s too early to draw in conclusions. While blogging, I’ve learned lots of stuff - which my theoretical approach couldn’t provide.
Mainly, I learned how to stop worrying and love the blog ;)
I’ll get on also to these conclusions, but I think with a blog post.

Glad to see someone reads the thing.

]]> By: sofiasot http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-151 sofiasot Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:28:40 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-151 so, i read your thesis mainly focusing on intro and conclusions and browsing through the mass media/small media/participation parts. Am I missing something or the results of your own blog-experiment missing? At the end of the day I m dying to know how much attention did you get and by what means (links, strong connections, weak connections?)..... so, i read your thesis mainly focusing on intro and conclusions and browsing through the mass media/small media/participation parts. Am I missing something or the results of your own blog-experiment missing? At the end of the day I m dying to know how much attention did you get and by what means (links, strong connections, weak connections?)…..

]]> By: robojiannis http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-149 robojiannis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:36:24 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-149 @Micha you got me there dude. no coincidence. Both books have been an inspiration. SofiaTranslated: ooh...congratulations dear, you're almost a master...! @Micha
you got me there dude. no coincidence. Both books have been an inspiration.
SofiaTranslated: ooh…congratulations dear, you’re almost a master…!

]]> By: Micha http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-148 Micha Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:30:15 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-148 @robojiannis: perhaps I should delete Lawrence Lessigs Wiki on his new book instead? I guess he would not expect that... http://codebook.jot.com/WikiHome And his book The Future of Ideas is now free to download as PDF... http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_future_of_ideas_is_now_fre_1.html coincidence or role-model? @sofiasot: che cazzo dici?! @robojiannis: perhaps I should delete Lawrence Lessigs Wiki on his new book instead?
I guess he would not expect that…

http://codebook.jot.com/WikiHome

And his book The Future of Ideas is now free to download as PDF…
http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_future_of_ideas_is_now_fre_1.html

coincidence or role-model?

@sofiasot: che cazzo dici?!

]]> By: robojiannis http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-147 robojiannis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:42:31 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-147 @PMB You're right. in blogging seniority tends to rule the day. But I also think (according to the studies of Albert-L. Barabasi), that a blog with good content has a faster development growth, than a senior blog with mediocre posts. Eventually, its popularity will increase. But achieving such a turn is not that easy. Google was not the first search engine. I remember, on my first online steps, using lycos.com and altavista.com. But then Google came into the game, with this algorithm, which takes the clicks of the crowd into consideration, and became more popular than the senior engines. In other news: it's been a while since your last post...busy? @PMB
You’re right. in blogging seniority tends to rule the day. But I also think (according to the studies of Albert-L. Barabasi), that a blog with good content has a faster development growth, than a senior blog with mediocre posts. Eventually, its popularity will increase.
But achieving such a turn is not that easy.

Google was not the first search engine. I remember, on my first online steps, using lycos.com and altavista.com. But then Google came into the game, with this algorithm, which takes the clicks of the crowd into consideration, and became more popular than the senior engines.

In other news: it’s been a while since your last post…busy?

]]> By: Paul M. Banas http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-144 Paul M. Banas Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:58:34 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-144 An incredible amount of thinking and depth here. I'll need much more time to fully digest. One quick question re: blogs and your thoughts behind attention growth. Which is stronger, seniority or quality? Does the nature of hyperlinks support a long history of posting, irregardless of quality, over a shorter history of well thought out postings? My concern is that it is the former. In other forms of media, while there is some respect for past reputation, generally the latest and greatest tends to rule the day. What if blogging and other link based social media takes this phenomena and turns it on its head? Google itself tends to weight its algorithms thusly. Which means the race isn't to the swift, it is to whomever started first. Again, some great thinking here. PMB An incredible amount of thinking and depth here. I’ll need much more time to fully digest.

One quick question re: blogs and your thoughts behind attention growth. Which is stronger, seniority or quality? Does the nature of hyperlinks support a long history of posting, irregardless of quality, over a shorter history of well thought out postings? My concern is that it is the former.

In other forms of media, while there is some respect for past reputation, generally the latest and greatest tends to rule the day. What if blogging and other link based social media takes this phenomena and turns it on its head? Google itself tends to weight its algorithms thusly. Which means the race isn’t to the swift, it is to whomever started first.

Again, some great thinking here.

PMB

]]> By: robojiannis http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-142 robojiannis Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:18:46 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-142 @ Micha Well, if you delete the whole wiki, couple of things will happen: 1. I have a backup and probably will restore it. I also keep a weekly backup, so I will restore the data other people have customized. 2. You will teach me a very good lesson, about openness in the web. It is just a mean act, with no reason. I trust, the community of the wiki (any wiki) will make it better. @ Micha
Well, if you delete the whole wiki, couple of things will happen:
1. I have a backup and probably will restore it. I also keep a weekly backup, so I will restore the data other people have customized.
2. You will teach me a very good lesson, about openness in the web. It is just a mean act, with no reason. I trust, the community of the wiki (any wiki) will make it better.

]]> By: sofiasot http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-141 sofiasot Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:11:15 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-141 ooh, sigxaritiria agapite. eiste sxedon mastoras.... ! ooh, sigxaritiria agapite. eiste sxedon mastoras…. !

]]> By: Micha http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-140 Micha Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:00:19 +0000 http://changemod.com/755/2008/01/16/social-web-master-thesis/#comment-140 And what are the consequences of the acion? Will you hand in the community version or the PDF version as it is now? What happens if I delete evereything? And what are the consequences of the acion? Will you hand in the community version or the PDF version as it is now?
What happens if I delete evereything?

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